MJ McDermott is speaking about the current state of math education, as a private citizen . KCPQ does not endorse this video. Math Education: An Inconvenient Truth
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January 15th, 2010 at 12:15 am
I honestly dont have a problem with this as long as the kids understand the math they are going to understand the math. It seems like the ways shes showing could just as easly help build an understanding of math as the old way. Ya tho it probably does make teaching math to your kids harder for dumb parents.
January 15th, 2010 at 1:05 am
Is she saying they dont teach the most well known way at all? I assume the kid know it dont they?
January 15th, 2010 at 1:35 am
problem is, you can teach your kids the simpler, better, traditional methods but these new methods will be in the examinations. i can remember my maths exam awarding you marks for showing your ‘working out’ of the problem, (I’m UK and sat two papers – one calculator the other without) i didn’t find either one to be the more difficult. Years of practicing algorithms! Used to HATE my maths teacher to – ! should send her some chocs and thank you note, perhaps…
January 15th, 2010 at 2:30 am
These techniques aren’t “psuedo techniques.” They are valid procedures that work every time. It’s too bad your limited mathematical knowledge can’t help you understand that.
January 15th, 2010 at 3:06 am
I think it’s called the distributive property. It may be over your head if you learned math in the U.S.
January 15th, 2010 at 3:18 am
Its an easy topic. I think the showed some algorithm that help the primary Maths student!
January 15th, 2010 at 4:17 am
Didint they invent something called a calculator i dunno about 20 years ago? yeah it was invented for a REASON!!!
January 15th, 2010 at 4:56 am
I think the lady needs to be much clearer on what she means by learning “multiplication and division with mastery” means.
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*If* taught well the methods she ridicules *may* allows some students to do numerical manipulations better than the traditional algorithm. Likewise, they may allow students to see interesting patterns and gain insight into number theory – by asking how and why the algorithms work the way they do … *if* the teacher is good.
January 15th, 2010 at 4:58 am
I don’t like this video, even though the lady makes some points I agree with.
Learning arithmetic can be done in different ways, so there’s no necessary problem with the particular methods being ridiculed in this video.
Also, what the lady asks for in the beginning is stated nonsensically. You can’t *just* ask for these particular books not to be used – you’ve also got to ask for some other texts or methods in their place.
Another comment to follow . . .
January 15th, 2010 at 5:42 am
Why make life simple when you can make it as difficult as this?
January 15th, 2010 at 6:34 am
Only a Jew could have thought this crap up…
January 15th, 2010 at 6:57 am
What the hell is the cluster stuff? That’s way to damn confusing!
January 15th, 2010 at 7:26 am
WOW if thats still being used for 4/5 grade our kids are screwed in high school. Our classes areant allowed calculators for test or our daily quizes so glad i was taught the old way.
Also show your work for 36/6? We were taught to KNOW the answer for problems like that not solve them.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:30 am
wow thank you
January 15th, 2010 at 8:23 am
Thank god. Showed it to others and they were vindicated. We have been trying to get this stuff removed for years, but it keeps entrenching itself because the teachers these days can’t properly teach math (from a math perspective) and this is the way that you get non-math teachers to teach math, using pseudo techniques. Hell, they have replaced simply math terms like perimeter and area with surround and cover? Show me a real math book with math definitions with those terms in them?
January 15th, 2010 at 9:12 am
Use a calculator.
January 15th, 2010 at 9:55 am
The number one answer I’ve heard for over 20 years from ppl when it came to higher level math was “what am I gonna use this for” or “I still haven’t found any use for this”. But ironically math & geometry is in everything we do: we look at, sleep in, live in, work in, cubes, squares, rectangles, triangles & calculate many things day to day.
January 15th, 2010 at 9:58 am
When numbers are theoretically discussed it get boring & is hard to follow for many, just like if I discussed notes in theory without having it demonstrated on an instrument it would get boring & become hard to follow, when it’s shown in interesting ways that are not ridiculous it can be absorbed better. Some problems I’ve seen were clearly invented & goes in a roller coaster description & designed also to trick based on no realistic practice, which is annoying & dull.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:25 am
Escher also incorporated math in his art, it’s also been shown DaVinci & many others as well. This knowledge doesn’t get introduced till later for many students, It needs to be given earlier. William James Sidis who was a child prodigy was trained by his parents from an early age, they didn’t goo goo ga ga him, they had him reading & learning math & not waste his time, parents are responsible, modern common parenting is stifling bcus it creates infantile thinking.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:38 am
Claude DeBussy incorporated the golden ratio in a composition shown by Math wizard Dr. Edward Burger. Also according to Mario Livio Ph.D. & many others the Golden Ratio is in the way branches on a bush grows & many other natural phenomenon, which would blow a kids mind & their parents when shown. Nature grows to a number/ratio yes that would be very impressive to adults & kids MOST DO NOT KNOW. Ratios are at the core of music theory, If ppl pulled together they can get inventive.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:11 am
best answer- most original answer- keep units out of math. teach math a musical tuning. yes.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:40 am
yeah, so u use the golden ratio a lot in life now, ha. I agree about making math connected, but how to connect it to music? I know! by artificial means! that’s how! show me a concert based on the golden ratio. show me a math concert (that I would be really happy to see). Yeah, math is important in science; but in the arts? really?
January 15th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
Exactly, Everyday Math STINKS…. Try SAXON MATH, SINGAPOUR MATH or ABEKA MATH…. TERC looks like it’s for JERKS!!!
January 15th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
Giving scenarios & incorporating math isn’t interesting to most: “if there are 7 fish in a pond & a bear ate….etc.” blah blah blah. Math should be taught like the Pythagoreans where the numbers have real meaning, students should be taught deeper & shown where they apply (not just balancing a check book), Math can actually be the middle ground between religion & science, an alternative to both yet just as amazing. because math IS religion & science.
January 15th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
I think the main problem is the way math is taught, it isn’t ‘connected’ to things of interest in children & adults. With children especially aspiring musicians math should part of ALL music classes from elementary through college. I didn’t even learn of the Golden Ratio till later in life, if math can be connected properly & taught alongside EVERY subject the U.S. & all countries would benefit. There is so much that rely on math in all arts & sciences. Math should be the #1 subject.